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	<title>Comments on: A Rare Post About Femininity</title>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife is a red head with near to no body hair at all. Yet she still shaves her legs because she's afraid people will see her tiny, invisible hair. 

I was using shorthand for clothing that means nothing feminine, of course, but have since realized that we have different upper body issues that need to be addressed for comfort, too. Some of the looser parts of our bodies like to be cradled or supported when we need to move around a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife is a red head with near to no body hair at all. Yet she still shaves her legs because she&#8217;s afraid people will see her tiny, invisible hair. </p>
<p>I was using shorthand for clothing that means nothing feminine, of course, but have since realized that we have different upper body issues that need to be addressed for comfort, too. Some of the looser parts of our bodies like to be cradled or supported when we need to move around a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: belenen</title>
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		<dc:creator>belenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw I syndicated you on LJ so I could easily keep up with you ;-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw I syndicated you on LJ so I could easily keep up with you <img src='http://www.feministfred.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: belenen</title>
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		<dc:creator>belenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't shaved in years -- and nobody ever stares.  That fear comes from a habit of comparing.  If I go around looking at all other women and rating them in comparison to myself, then I will expect them to do the same to me, and I will see that in every glance.  However, if I appreciate everyone as beautiful for being unique, then I will expect the same admiration from others, and when people glance at me that is what I will see.  

As far as 'feminine' accessories, I've got the short hair, short nails, hairy legs, hairy pits, no fake-natural makeup like concealer (if I've got a pimple, I'm not going to hide it because WOMEN GET THEM TOO) -- if I wear makeup it is wildly colorful and hides no 'flaw', no hair products, no bras, no girdles or control-top anything, no fancy shoes (I have one pair of tennis shoes which is all I ever wear).

I've been tempted to hide my shape and wear only that which is androgynous, but I find those clothes uncomfortable and inexpressive.  I decided that just like I should not let ideas of 'femininity' decide what I SHOULD wear, I should also not let them decide what I SHOULDN'T wear.  So I wear strappy tops that give me a little support so that I can comfortably go braless, and most of the time I wear skirts.  I think that my hairiness and mismatched socks and tennis shoes contradict the 'femininity' of the skirt enough to give a categorizer a headache.  Not to mention that pants made to fit my size and hips are, in my mind, more 'feminine' than skirts, because of the restrictiveness of them.

On jeans -- they're considered androgynous but they are NOT.  Most women who wear them wear tight-enough-to-be-a-corset, slim-you-down, restrict-your-movement-and-breathing jeans.  Men wear comfortable jeans that don't squeeze anything -- these are very very very different items that have in common only the fact that they are made from denim.  Now if women wore 'men's' (aka comfortable &#38; useful) jeans, that would be a step up.  But the fact is that women's fashion tends toward anything that restricts or cripples (such as high heels), and jeans are a very strong example of this.  I used to wear jeans so tight they made me numb from bellybutton to knees -- no more.  I made myself a promise years ago that I will never again wear restrictive or uncomfortable clothing.  I think that if women simply changed to that which is comfortable, most women would have to change out at least 3/4ths of their wardrobe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t shaved in years &#8212; and nobody ever stares.  That fear comes from a habit of comparing.  If I go around looking at all other women and rating them in comparison to myself, then I will expect them to do the same to me, and I will see that in every glance.  However, if I appreciate everyone as beautiful for being unique, then I will expect the same admiration from others, and when people glance at me that is what I will see.  </p>
<p>As far as &#8216;feminine&#8217; accessories, I&#8217;ve got the short hair, short nails, hairy legs, hairy pits, no fake-natural makeup like concealer (if I&#8217;ve got a pimple, I&#8217;m not going to hide it because WOMEN GET THEM TOO) &#8212; if I wear makeup it is wildly colorful and hides no &#8216;flaw&#8217;, no hair products, no bras, no girdles or control-top anything, no fancy shoes (I have one pair of tennis shoes which is all I ever wear).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been tempted to hide my shape and wear only that which is androgynous, but I find those clothes uncomfortable and inexpressive.  I decided that just like I should not let ideas of &#8216;femininity&#8217; decide what I SHOULD wear, I should also not let them decide what I SHOULDN&#8217;T wear.  So I wear strappy tops that give me a little support so that I can comfortably go braless, and most of the time I wear skirts.  I think that my hairiness and mismatched socks and tennis shoes contradict the &#8216;femininity&#8217; of the skirt enough to give a categorizer a headache.  Not to mention that pants made to fit my size and hips are, in my mind, more &#8216;feminine&#8217; than skirts, because of the restrictiveness of them.</p>
<p>On jeans &#8212; they&#8217;re considered androgynous but they are NOT.  Most women who wear them wear tight-enough-to-be-a-corset, slim-you-down, restrict-your-movement-and-breathing jeans.  Men wear comfortable jeans that don&#8217;t squeeze anything &#8212; these are very very very different items that have in common only the fact that they are made from denim.  Now if women wore &#8216;men&#8217;s&#8217; (aka comfortable &amp; useful) jeans, that would be a step up.  But the fact is that women&#8217;s fashion tends toward anything that restricts or cripples (such as high heels), and jeans are a very strong example of this.  I used to wear jeans so tight they made me numb from bellybutton to knees &#8212; no more.  I made myself a promise years ago that I will never again wear restrictive or uncomfortable clothing.  I think that if women simply changed to that which is comfortable, most women would have to change out at least 3/4ths of their wardrobe.</p>
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		<title>By: belenen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The argument that you’re just as liable to be raped dressed up as dressed down"

not only does it not make sense, it implies that the only reason to dress one way or another would be to avoid rape.  Yes, rape is a very real issue that affects every part of our lives, but that does not mean we should allow the threat of it to affect our every decision.  If none of us stand against the flow then we can build no strength against the rapist mentality -- the idea that by wearing clothing that fits or does not fit the ideal, we are giving consent to be used sexually.  When we catch ourselves living in fear of rape, we need to try to find a way to break free of it; if we don't, we are giving away our power.  If we allow rapists to dictate our clothing choices, we are allowing them to invade our lives even when they are not violating us sexually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The argument that you’re just as liable to be raped dressed up as dressed down&#8221;</p>
<p>not only does it not make sense, it implies that the only reason to dress one way or another would be to avoid rape.  Yes, rape is a very real issue that affects every part of our lives, but that does not mean we should allow the threat of it to affect our every decision.  If none of us stand against the flow then we can build no strength against the rapist mentality &#8212; the idea that by wearing clothing that fits or does not fit the ideal, we are giving consent to be used sexually.  When we catch ourselves living in fear of rape, we need to try to find a way to break free of it; if we don&#8217;t, we are giving away our power.  If we allow rapists to dictate our clothing choices, we are allowing them to invade our lives even when they are not violating us sexually.</p>
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