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	<title>Comments on: How male supremacy oppresses humans with male parts</title>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, Shiny. I used to see all my problems with men solely from the standpoint of my dislike for competition, since I neither wanted to be a loser or a winner. Now that women have opened up my eyes to the oppression they feel, whether they choose to deny it or not, it's added a whole new dimension to how I look at my faults and tendencies. But the essential quest to dominate is the hallmark of masculinity, which puts men in constant competition with everything in an endless and ultimately doomed contest.

It's why I reject sexualities based on dominance and submission. I can easily see the appeal but the reality of it has always horrified me. The simplicity of giving up responsibility for arousal and turning to forcible methods to get there is a natural outgrowth of our sick uber-sexual world view these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, Shiny. I used to see all my problems with men solely from the standpoint of my dislike for competition, since I neither wanted to be a loser or a winner. Now that women have opened up my eyes to the oppression they feel, whether they choose to deny it or not, it&#8217;s added a whole new dimension to how I look at my faults and tendencies. But the essential quest to dominate is the hallmark of masculinity, which puts men in constant competition with everything in an endless and ultimately doomed contest.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why I reject sexualities based on dominance and submission. I can easily see the appeal but the reality of it has always horrified me. The simplicity of giving up responsibility for arousal and turning to forcible methods to get there is a natural outgrowth of our sick uber-sexual world view these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I think men do get off on the power of oppressing others, I don't believe that is the only motivation for doing it.  Power in whatever form it manifests (physical strength, wealth, social status, etc.) is the essence of masculinity, and it is how men relate to each other.  Women are just a form of currency in this system, no different than a big house or a hot car.  That's why a woman's beauty and sexuality are so highly regulated, so a man can possess her and demonstrate his power; any woman who does not conform to those standards has lower "value" (e.g. prostitutes and "sluts").

Men are in competition only with other men, so they reject all identification with women.  I have heard women say countless times that their husbands/boyfriends are never reassured by them.  Men look elsewhere for validation because women are "less than" they are (thus their opinions are worthless), and men's only recourse is to look for a new toy with which to impress other men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I think men do get off on the power of oppressing others, I don&#8217;t believe that is the only motivation for doing it.  Power in whatever form it manifests (physical strength, wealth, social status, etc.) is the essence of masculinity, and it is how men relate to each other.  Women are just a form of currency in this system, no different than a big house or a hot car.  That&#8217;s why a woman&#8217;s beauty and sexuality are so highly regulated, so a man can possess her and demonstrate his power; any woman who does not conform to those standards has lower &#8220;value&#8221; (e.g. prostitutes and &#8220;sluts&#8221;).</p>
<p>Men are in competition only with other men, so they reject all identification with women.  I have heard women say countless times that their husbands/boyfriends are never reassured by them.  Men look elsewhere for validation because women are &#8220;less than&#8221; they are (thus their opinions are worthless), and men&#8217;s only recourse is to look for a new toy with which to impress other men.</p>
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		<title>By: Freida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good drug analogy.  I would add (as you already implied) that the more you get, the more you actually need in order to get the same high.  That's how it is with porn as well (as you know from that book, Getting Off).

I wouldn't be surprised if Hefner IS happy, although in an Ignorance-Is-Bliss sort of way.

Men are harmed in ways the MRA's cannot begin to understand.  They are basically arguing for the right to own slaves.

Thanks so much for offering to coddle the dudes, so Twisy doesn't have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good drug analogy.  I would add (as you already implied) that the more you get, the more you actually need in order to get the same high.  That&#8217;s how it is with porn as well (as you know from that book, Getting Off).</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Hefner IS happy, although in an Ignorance-Is-Bliss sort of way.</p>
<p>Men are harmed in ways the MRA&#8217;s cannot begin to understand.  They are basically arguing for the right to own slaves.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for offering to coddle the dudes, so Twisy doesn&#8217;t have to.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never ceases to amaze me how men can be so willfully blind to the hypocrisy of their situation.  Their phallus worship is obvious as is their disdain for those who are "penetrated" (females), yet they always vociferously play up how sex-obsessed men "naturally" are, which makes no sense at all.  In what other area do people devote so much time and energy to pursue objects they despise?  "But we love women!" men cry.  Oh yes, they love women so much that they lie to them all the time and then call them the worst sorts of names--sometimes to their faces but more often behind their backs.  What men are chasing is not women nor sex but the masculine ideal as envisioned by the patriarchy, which neither honors nor respects the feminine but strives ever against it, hating those who are "less masculine" and preying on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amaze me how men can be so willfully blind to the hypocrisy of their situation.  Their phallus worship is obvious as is their disdain for those who are &#8220;penetrated&#8221; (females), yet they always vociferously play up how sex-obsessed men &#8220;naturally&#8221; are, which makes no sense at all.  In what other area do people devote so much time and energy to pursue objects they despise?  &#8220;But we love women!&#8221; men cry.  Oh yes, they love women so much that they lie to them all the time and then call them the worst sorts of names&#8211;sometimes to their faces but more often behind their backs.  What men are chasing is not women nor sex but the masculine ideal as envisioned by the patriarchy, which neither honors nor respects the feminine but strives ever against it, hating those who are &#8220;less masculine&#8221; and preying on them.</p>
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