Why don’t these people get a life and stop dissing women-empowering porn?
101 Things You can Do To Combat Pornography
Pat is amused by the idea that the tidal wave of porn can be restricted in any way. Like most men, he really enjoys the kind of shows they have on this site that talk about how terrible pron is for women while making the explicit point that it sells TV shows condemning porn just as well as anything else.
Anti-Pornography Activist | 28-Oct-07 at 5:55 pm | Permalink
I know! What’s up with those anti-porn feminists? It’s ridiculous. You would think women like me would have better things to do than dissing porn. I guess I just haven’t figured out that feminism is really all about choices, like the “freedom” to be more “frisky” by being in objectifying porn and watching it, like porn actress Nina Hartley says in this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRZ21LQMRHU
Silly me. Not to mention apparently anti-porn feminists are being the nasty “good girls” who are “ganging up” on the poor porny white western “bad girls” to “keep them in line”. Really, we do need to get a life…
And of course all of us feminists don’t really help women in porn by speaking out about the harms of pornography and how it degrades and dehumanizes women. We are really all just “prudish hung-up ladies” attacking porn because of personal hang-ups and our obsession with sex! (See next video link.) It’s so sad… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuAA1bQboJw
Really I think we just need to get laid more. (By men with really huge penises who show us who is really the boss.) I’m sure that would solve all our “hang-ups” about sex… ;-)
In any case, the point of sharing those Nina Hartley videos isn’t to bash poor misguided Nina, it’s to give an example of what a truly “sexually empowered” feminist is like. You know, the “sexy” type that most men want their feminist friends, girlfriends or wives to be like. ;-) The type that they point to when a woman they know is being so uptight about issues like porn, and they say “Why can’t you be like HER? SHE’S a feminist. And she likes porn! She even MAKES it!”
I guess all us slow and “unsexy” feminists just need to get with the program, and start living out the fantasies of the men in our lives … ;-)
P.S. Thanks for linking to me and for your excellent work so far. Your blog is totally my new favorite, and it would be even if you didn’t link to me. ;-) I look forward to sending all the irritatingly clueless men in my life here, as well as all the ones who send me hate mail. ;-) . (And I hope many more click on your link at my blog that I just added . ;-)) I doubt they will be laughing their butt off like I have been, (while enjoying all of your witty truth-telling and privilege exposing), but nonetheless I know it will be good for them. And after all, I can’t expect them to listen to ME about the issues you’re talking about. After all, I’m a WOMAN and therefore couldn’t possibly understand the terrible burden of the poor oppressed (by women) penised ones of the world! ;-)
Fred | 28-Oct-07 at 10:45 pm | Permalink
Men are desperately ashamed of the weakness they have for porn, though. On some level they realize they are being manipulated and controlled in a really evil way.
Traditionally men have tried to blame this on women. But since men control, create, and profit from the porn they watch, it’s getting to be so obviously delusional for them to blame women that they’ve even stopped trying. The best they can do now is hopefully insist that the women really like it.
There is some hope in educating men that they are manipulated and controlled by porn to a huge extent, since nobody likes to be told they are being used in a sexual way. Without in any way denying or sidelining the main and preeminent position that porn degrades women, shifting the argument to men being degraded by their own tacit approval and use of porn could be more helpful in any debate about porn.
Because what I want is for men to stop oppressing women, and to get there I believe you have to get men to realize they are oppressing women, and that oppressing women degrades themselves, too. So if I have to pander to men, to bring the feminist arguments home for them personally first, and then reveal where it leads to the oppression of women, I’m fine with that.
Feminism is generally taught as being something women need to educate other women about, leaving men to simply try to understand from the outside. This is excellent for women. But for men, who are blinded by assumptions of privilege and the huge egos that come with it, I feel you should attack them from a point that hurts their pride first. Then you can easily demonstrate how a woman could feel far worse in the same situation, once they have understood that they should feel degraded, and do feel degraded, by the same thing.
I hope that makes sense. Is it wrong? Will it it work in practice?